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Held Carese Gore-Tex Jacket Outershell of DU PONT Cordura 500D (100 polyamide) Breathable Cool-MAX mesh inner lining (100 polyester) Detachable Gore-Tex LTD liner may be installed in the jacket, removed and worn separately, or folded and stored in a pocket on the back of the jacket. With the Gore-Tex LTD liner removed and the air vents open, the Carese jacket flows maximum air for maximum cooling. Front air vent zipper storm flaps may be held open with built in magnets, revealing one large mesh air vent section along the main zipper. High breathability with 3D air-mesh panels on back (100 polyester) 4 outside pockets, of which 2 are waterproof 3 inside pockets, including internal cell phone pocket and document pocket 1 back pocket AIR-VENT zippers in front, back and the arms Pockets with magnetic closures, equipped with air vents Double arm adjustment Hip adjustment Waist belt Soft collar Stretch panels at shoulders EN 1621-1 certified 4t soft protectors from SAS-TEC on shoulders and elbows TEMPERFOAM at back EN 1621-2 certified back protector, upgradeable Connecting zip 3M-SCOTCHLITE
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Probably the internet's longest review of the Held Carese. From a guy that rides everyday in all conditions + dirt
PostedNovember 13, 2012
socaleverydayrider
From San Diego
State:CA
Rider Type:Adventurer
Age:25-34
Gender:male
Bang for the Buck
4
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5
Style
5
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5
Comfort
5
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5
Protection & Durability
5
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5
Air Flow
5
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5
Features
5
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5
Fit
Small
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I rarely write reviews as I'm super pressed for time, well, all the time, but I wanted to help out other guys researching gear. It's tough to find any info, especially on the European high end stuff. I hope you find this useful.
FIT:
I'm 6' 4", 190 lbs. Everything fit perfectly on this jacket except for the sleeve length. On me, the end of the sleeves hits right on the "break", where the wrist becomes the hand.
I almost sent it back at first as I prefer the length to hit halfway down my palm, but I realized after wearing it around my office for a bit that there are two advantages to the slightly short (on me) sleeves:
1) The shortness leaves a gap (without cuffs cinched down with the included strap) that flows a lot of air on hot days with short gloves.
2) It fits in a full gauntlet glove easier and doesn't jam it up. The fabric is fairly stiff, so too much length there and it would be trying to push on your gloves all the time.
TEMPERATURE RANGE:
I have worn this in 38F all the way to 101F.
We had a brutal and unusually hot humid summer here in San Diego. I can honestly say you will not find a dual sport jacket that flows more air to cool you down and then can seal up completely for the cold/wet and keep you warm.
This thing has an unbelievable amount of vents, front, back, side, you name it. For the first two weeks, I kept finding new ones. Not joking.
Without the liner in, it flows about 90% of the amount of air that my mesh jacket does. I took this out on a 64 mi dual sport dirt and paved ride recently and the temp range was about 48-85F.
Started out on highway early am with all vents closed and no liner in, was perfect with just a t shirt and thin long sleeve layer . By the time I was working the bike around on dirt, I had all vents open and a nice breeze working through the jacket. Was comfortable all day.
Below 50F, I put the liner in and it warms right up, as well as blocks all the wind. I'm cold now with temps in high 30's, low 40's in the early am commute hours, so time to consider wearing a high quality thin insulating layer, maybe heated.
One thing to consider: you won't be able to zip up the neck on this with the liner in (which also has a neck) if your base insulating layer is anything over t shirt thickness and includes the neck part. I can barely just zip this up over a t shirt plus a thin insulating layer that also has a zip neck.
RAIN:
Have not tested it in a driving, heavy hours long storm yet. Just a normal rain. Stayed dry, no leaks anywhere for a half hour at least. One look at the Gore Tex liner and you can tell rain is not going to be an issue on this. The shell shed all the water that hit. I know it's not waterproof, so I'll have to figure out why that was the case. I will update to see how soaked the shell gets and how long to dry after I ride in some serious weather.
STYLE:
It fits snug and looks great. It's very adjustable to your exact sizing needs, and gives you a long, trim, lean, fitted look. This is NOT the jacket for you if you're overweight or have a huge belly. Sorry, just sayin!
This is how motorcycle gear should fit for safety and aerodynamic purposes. The snug fit means the pads are where you need them to be in a get off and there is zero flapping in wind on the bike at speed.
I just don't get the baggy gear I see all the time. Even some of the other high end brands look like a garbage bag once you have it on. I've tried on Klim and BMW dual sport gear-it fits big. Klim is huge.
On the color: I wanted a light jacket for two reasons:
1) I ride everyday, in traffic. This means certain times of the year, I get cooked in searing, blazing hot sunlight but am moving slow. I need the jacket to reflect as much light as possible to keep me cool. Plus in dirt, you are typically working more at slower speeds.
2) People see you easier, especially at night, which I ride in a lot.
Dark dual sport jackets make no sense.
VALUE:
I gave this a 4 out of 5, but would be 4.5 if there were half steps because at this price I think it should come with the SAS TEC back armor upgrade. The foam that's in there right now is just to show that there's a pocket for back armor-it's basically the same stuff name brand memory foam beds have. I own one. Trust me, the foam is not up to a crash and slide unless it's a foot thick, at least. It offers no protection in a get off.
Other than that, this jacket has all the bells and whistles you could want. Convertible from hot weather airflow mode to cold and wet weather warm and dry mode. Waterproof pockets on the outside, heaps of little interior and exterior and even hidden stash pockets, adjustable fit everywhere it counts, even an elastic draw cord closure on the bottom to seal it up more, the little magnets are handy, attention to detail is amazing, pants zip in jacket, etc, etc. You really have to see in person to appreciate it.
INVEST IN THIS IF:
Your part of the country rains sometimes, and those times of year are fairly predictable. Here in San Diego, we have two seasons.
It's hot, dry and sunny most of the time. Then it rains in winter for about three months and is a type of cold ocean air cold.
If your part of the country rains and gets sunny, then rains again and you can't really nail down when that is going to happen, or it happens throughout the year, you're better off getting something with the Gore Tex laminated to the shell because while putting the liner in is not that hard, it's not something you would want to do on the side of the road in the rain.
Once I put the liner in, because of the weather here, I don't have to worry about taking it in and out all the time. This type of jacket is perfect.
Also get this if you want a top of the line adventure jacket that flows a ton of air for hot weather riding. The venting is incredible. Almost as good as mesh, but with orders of magnitude more protection.
I really like this jacket and am looking forward to getting years of service from it. While one jacket is never enough to fit all the applications you can use it for if you're an everyday rider, this one comes pretty close.
If you've been thinking about it, pull the trigger. You won't be disappointed. Held delivers extreme quality, and so does Revzilla.
The customer service guy really knew his stuff and nailed the fit. I thought I needed an XL, but he talked me into a L, and it fits near perfect.
Sorry I don't have better pics; these are the only ones I have and the top box blocks a lot of the jacket. Still, you can see the fit, more or less.
Rides: 2008 Suzuki DL650 V-Strom
Yes, I recommend this product.
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Held Carese Gore-Tex Jacket Outershell of DU PONT Cordura 500D (100 polyamide) Breathable Cool-MAX mesh inner lining (100 polyester) Detachable Gore-Tex LTD liner may be installed in the jacket, removed and worn separately, or folded and stored in a pocket on the back of the jacket. With the Gore-Tex LTD liner removed and the air vents open, the Carese jacket flows maximum air for maximum cooling. Front air vent zipper storm flaps may be held open with built in magnets, revealing one large mesh air vent section along the main zipper. High breathability with 3D air-mesh panels on back (100 polyester) 4 outside pockets, of which 2 are waterproof 3 inside pockets, including internal cell phone pocket and document pocket 1 back pocket AIR-VENT zippers in front, back and the arms Pockets with magnetic closures, equipped with air vents Double arm adjustment Hip adjustment Waist belt Soft collar Stretch panels at shoulders EN 1621-1 certified 4t soft protectors from SAS-TEC on shoulders and elbows TEMPERFOAM at back EN 1621-2 certified back protector, upgradeable Connecting zip 3M-SCOTCHLITE
Is the shell itself, without the liner, waterproof?
Can you just close all the flaps and have a water proof jacket? The same question for the Torno pants.
I just wore this jacket in fairly heavy rain at highway speeds for extended periods of time here in San Diego. What I can tell you is that the shell material itself didn't have any water penetration after 45 minutes of driving rain, but it was definitely starting to get soaked. The big thing was the long zippers on the arms. Water completely penetrated those, which makes sense since they're the most exposed to the blast of air and wet. The gore tex liner stopped the water from actually reaching me, but there was a noticeable cooling effect just from heat conduction via the wet. I was totally dry in any case.
6 months ago
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socaleverydayrider
Age: 25-34
Gender: male
San Diego
Held Carese Gore-Tex Jacket Outershell of DU PONT Cordura 500D (100 polyamide) Breathable Cool-MAX mesh inner lining (100 polyester) Detachable Gore-Tex LTD liner may be installed in the jacket, removed and worn separately, or folded and stored in a pocket on the back of the jacket. With the Gore-Tex LTD liner removed and the air vents open, the Carese jacket flows maximum air for maximum cooling. Front air vent zipper storm flaps may be held open with built in magnets, revealing one large mesh air vent section along the main zipper. High breathability with 3D air-mesh panels on back (100 polyester) 4 outside pockets, of which 2 are waterproof 3 inside pockets, including internal cell phone pocket and document pocket 1 back pocket AIR-VENT zippers in front, back and the arms Pockets with magnetic closures, equipped with air vents Double arm adjustment Hip adjustment Waist belt Soft collar Stretch panels at shoulders EN 1621-1 certified 4t soft protectors from SAS-TEC on shoulders and elbows TEMPERFOAM at back EN 1621-2 certified back protector, upgradeable Connecting zip 3M-SCOTCHLITE
Is the shell itself, without the liner, waterproof?
Can you just close all the flaps and have a water proof jacket? The same question for the Torno pants.
No. You have to have the liner in. The shell appears to have some sort of water resistant coating on the surface, as it deflected all the rain that hit it on my 30 min rain ride the other day, but given enough time, the moisture would seep through and contact the Gore Tex liner, which would stop it. There are two waterproof pockets in this jacket, the rest are not.
7 months ago
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socaleverydayrider
Age: 25-34
Gender: male
San Diego